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Post by Simple » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:55 am

I have both the 9500 and a 9700 and they both brought my temps down a ton. My old system idles at 23c and under load around 37c with the 9500. The new one I haven't really tested out yet, but my Q6600 go idles at 37-41c and thats with 2 8800 GT's in there as well and only 2 120mm fans. Going to either add some more fans or liquid cool it here pretty soon so I can do some overclocking. Really no need for it right now by the time my screen turns on I'm already at the last load screen of XP. lol Infact today it was already booted to my desktop. :D


[quote="Stevo";p="73361"][quote="FragFailure";p="73357"]3. I've heard nothing but good things about this Zalman fan. How does it suck? The reviews on New Egg have people saying that it lowered the temp by at least 10 C. I've had a real life friend back this up.[/quote]
I have the same one and it works great. The fan does blow, but what good is a fan that doesn't?[/quote]
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Post by kaze06 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:39 am

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1. The MSI Board - Had one in this cpu. Had no probs. I'll take another look.[/quote]

Firstly, please stop saying "CPU". This is a pet peeve of mine. The CPU is, in fact, the processor, not the entire computer. Furthermore, MSI makes pretty crap boards. Stick with ASUS or Gigabyte.
2. I'll look another direction from A-Data. Did you have a bad experience with it? I'd prefer 2 GBx2 if I upgrade to Vista. I will be running XP. I don't think 2 GB is enough.
A-DATA is some one-off cheap brand that uses some foreign IC's. Spend the extra money and buy some Crucial Ballistix.
3. I've heard nothing but good things about this Zalman fan. How does it suck? The reviews on New Egg have people saying that it lowered the temp by at least 10 C. I've had a real life friend back this up.
Because it fails in performance in comparison to just about every other real air cooler out there. Plus, it's common to get a concave or convex HSF base on the CNPS9500, requiring you to lap it (which you should do anyways, but that's beside the point).
4. The monitor resolution means little to me. I've been in 1024x768 for years.
Doen't mean you shouldn't look for a change. By that logic, just keep the PC you have now. You've had it for years.
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Post by kill-moj0 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:30 am

as everyone said, ASUS is a good mobo maker. I'd also check out some ABIT boards. i had an ABIT before my current ASUS and i loved it, never had any problems. in the computer im upgrading for me gf i'm putting another ABIT board in it.
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Post by MasterChef » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:46 am

I've only had one ASUS mobo and it wasn't great. I had some problems with it always locking up and other weird things. I've heard nothing but good things about them but my one experience wasn't that good. I've since been using gigabyte and have had no issues. I'm sure my experience with ASUS was the exception rather than the rule but figured I'd let you know.

Also I would transfer anything you want to keep off of that maxtor drive. I've had two of their hard drives and both failed on me. And I've heard of quite a few others that have also gone bad.
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Post by MrBlah » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:18 am

[quote="[HALO]MasterChief";p="73677"]
I've only had one ASUS mobo and it wasn't great. I had some problems with it always locking up and other weird things. I've heard nothing but good things about them but my one experience wasn't that good. I've since been using gigabyte and have had no issues. I'm sure my experience with ASUS was the exception rather than the rule but figured I'd let you know.

Also I would transfer anything you want to keep off of that maxtor drive. I've had two of their hard drives and both failed on me. And I've heard of quite a few others that have also gone bad.
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You seem to have had a lot of stuff go wrong... lol, have you also had a large pool of tech to pull from? I prefer Maxtor over WD, Seagate of Maxtor, and Samsung over Seagate. Hitachi for the laptop and Serial Attached SCSI.

One other thing Frag, dont make this a life changing decision, Asus, Abit, Gigabyte, eVGA, Intel are all valid choices, we could fight over them for an eternity. flip a coin id say for brand but first and foremost, make sure the board you get has everything you need AND THEN SOME for better scalability. you dont wanna board that doesnt allow you to add anything to it.
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Post by Simple » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:53 pm

I myself went with the eVGA 780i MB it has plenty of options for upgrading when I want to. With tri-SLI should be awhile before a game will need more then 3 video cards. So I figure I'm safe for awhile anyways.
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Post by FragFailure » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:20 pm

[quote="kaze06";p="73645"][quote="FragFailure";p="73357"]
1. The MSI Board - Had one in this cpu. Had no probs. I'll take another look.[/quote]

Firstly, please stop saying "CPU". This is a pet peeve of mine.

I hate when people spell loser as looser, so what.
2. I'll look another direction from A-Data. Did you have a bad experience with it? I'd prefer 2 GBx2 if I upgrade to Vista. I will be running XP. I don't think 2 GB is enough.
A-DATA is some one-off cheap brand that uses some foreign IC's. Spend the extra money and buy some Crucial Ballistix.

I'll address this as it gets closer.
3. I've heard nothing but good things about this Zalman fan. How does it suck? The reviews on New Egg have people saying that it lowered the temp by at least 10 C. I've had a real life friend back this up.
Because it fails in performance in comparison to just about every other real air cooler out there. Plus, it's common to get a concave or convex HSF base on the CNPS9500, requiring you to lap it (which you should do anyways, but that's beside the point).

I'm still sticking with this as of now.
4. The monitor resolution means little to me. I've been in 1024x768 for years.
Doen't mean you shouldn't look for a change. By that logic, just keep the PC you have now. You've had it for years.[/quote]

In terms of the CPU and monitor res comment. I can do without your computer arrogance. It shines through clearly. I do have a rather limited budget on this. I have to cut corners. I don't have mommy or daddy to build it for me.
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Post by kaze06 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:27 pm

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In terms of the CPU and monitor res comment. I can do without your computer arrogance. It shines through clearly. I do have a rather limited budget on this. I have to cut corners. I don't have mommy or daddy to build it for me.
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Talk about arrogance. You really think that I could convince my parents to drop $1500 on my rig? Right.

How about you drop the assumptions eh?

You asked for advice, I gave it. If you don't like my method of deliverance, don't listen. Simple as.
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Post by kill-moj0 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:33 pm

Flame on! :P
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Post by FragFailure » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:36 pm

[quote="kaze06";p="73790"][quote="FragFailure";p="73783"]
In terms of the CPU and monitor res comment. I can do without your computer arrogance. It shines through clearly. I do have a rather limited budget on this. I have to cut corners. I don't have mommy or daddy to build it for me.
[/quote]

Talk about arrogance. You really think that I could convince my parents to drop $1500 on my rig? Right.

How about you drop the assumptions eh?

You asked for advice, I gave it. If you don't like my method of deliverance, don't listen. Simple as.[/quote]

I didn't like it. I'm 34 son, not some 15 year old punk. I show other people respect at this place. I too expect it in return. I asked for advice, not a lecture. My soon to be wife would slap my ass if I talked to her like that.

I've had an MSI board in the box for almost four years. Albino Gibbon (who's been here in the past.) sells computer products, he's also used an MSI in the past and had favorable thoughts about it. The Zalman fan, I think I'm going with.
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Post by DeafOfficeWorker » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:40 pm

[quote="kaze06";p="73790"]
If you don't like my method of deliverance, don't listen. Simple as.[/quote]

I've noticed your "method of deliverance" on this thread and others too. It would behoove you to be a little more tactful and tone it down a bit.
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Re: Building a new computar

Post by <eVa>Verman » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:41 pm

Tax man says I'm getting some of mah money back, so I'll start finalizing my list of parts to build my next PC.
I'm pretty much set on a MB with some room to expand and plenty of opportunity to overclock the beejeebers out of it. The recent releases from ASUS have got my attention. DDR2 RAM is more affordable but DDR3 would set me up for a while. I guess I could economize on the CPU going with a Core 2 Duo (E6XXX) given that the MB should be able to handle the Quad when the prices become a bit more digestable. Just noticed the E8XXX is out, so that could be an option as well. Figure I could lowball the video card as well, waiting until later in the year (SLI or Crossfire?).

Seems like everytime I look, new models and options are coming out. Fun, exciting but cornfusing as well. :wall:

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Re: Building a new computar

Post by bubu » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:53 am

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail
$275.99
EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$209.99


Thats at newegg..
I would go with that performace over the dual core that is being out dated. you'll get nearly double the processing power, cooler temps, more expandability, less power consumption for a better Dollar to Mhz ratio.

Simple and I both run that processor, with it.. you won't have to run a 3rd party fan and you can take advantage of Nvidia's controlpanel with on the fly nTune overclocking and fan control when switching to games to Idle.

You're video card choice is primo - keep with that.

as far as memory goes, speed and size is ALL that matters. Young and ignorant people will tell you to get name brand.. well. in my experince, name brand has NO performance increses and life expectancy is the exact same - Unless your digging around in your computer changing parts every week ANY band memory stick will hang in there with you untill it's time for an upgrade.
At Frys Electronics you can get no-brander 800mhz 2gb sticks for $50 a piece on sale. I don't know where you live, but thats a pretty common price (other than rip-off places like best buy and circut city)

Power supply wise a 500 watt will do, I got my 630watt modulated Raidmax Volcano was $40 on sale at Frys Electronics. At the time of this post my whole computer PLUS monitor is only using 275 watts of energy. (i'm running 3 video cards, 2 hard drives, 2 DVD burners, and 6 case fans.)
SO what that means is that people ALWAYS over shoot what their demands are. Also, in my experince, If you're going to go cheap, go very cheap or get a quality PS - not an inbetween one, pricewatch.com has the CHEAPEST powersupply selection, I've burnt up about 3 of the $20 600watt ones in the last 3 years utill my current good one went on sale.

Case! I've been using my same large-midsize tower for going on 8 years now, this is your choice really, I would set $80 aside to pick this - Intel computers run cool, Nvidia video cards run cool (plus you'll have nTune watching over the temp and it will speed up fans according to the temp). The only thing that gets hot in my computer are the memory sticks. It doesn't pose much threat and if you want, they make clipon fans with a fan connected to a bendystraw neck with a clip on the other end that you can hook onto the chassie of your case and point it RIGHT at the memory bays.
My friend bought an antec super expensive case that basicly creates a hurricane inside it... POINTLESS!
His computer produces less heat than mine, he just wasted $150 bucks on a case that does nothing but look rediculus. - Thats what you want to avoid.

Now the operating system is what you cannot avoid with this build, you're going to need Vista 64 (I suggest ultimate PC builder version) $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6832116215
Youre going to need the driver support/future driver support and 64bit support that vista gives.
With an old copy of XP (wich is what most people have) it won't be able to use the 64 bit, only 32 bit. Also, unless it's XP pro, it will only see 1 processor... and more stuff is just wrong with XP now...
(XP 64bit is now outdated and nolonger supported by ANY compony, don't buy it)

Hard drive and CDrom - These are your pref. Use what money you have left on what you think you want... you could go cheap DVDrom and a speedy name brand Hard drive, or get Mid price and mid price, Hard drives DO increse performance on loading times.

Mouse, keyboard, monitor- Again, personal pref.. I'm more of a "powerful guts of the machine" guy than the fancy outside. I got a nice 3800dpi mouse, and a creative gaming keyboard - Both wired, becasue I hate batteries and they are cheaper for the same performance, but again. Your pref.

That covers most parts really... My moto is ... get the frame of your machine strong and up to date technology, the rest can be upgraded for cheap as the time goes by.
This way... you are keeping up with the top dogs, and not hurting your pocketbook.

Hope this guide helps... my hands hurt from rock climbing today. But it was worth writing this to help a community member make a good purchase

Goodluck hunting!

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Re: Building a new computar

Post by FragFailure » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:02 am

I really want that 775 E8400 Wolfdale. I probably will go with a Gigabyte Mobo due to it being quad core capable. Vlaue and upside are what I am looking for. Paying more money for a highest end product doesn't guarantee it's long term stability. I'm probably are going to stick with the DDR 800 memory over the DDR 1066. The first problem is that the cost doesn't justify the jump. The second is that the line is newer and you see people having issues with more of the 1066's. Third running XP makes it rather pointless.

Thanks to all for the feedback. Keep the discussion going.
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Post by sgt stutter » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:08 am

Nice recommendations bubu, I like the way you think.
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