Marilyn Manson on the O'Reilly Factor

[JacktheHomeless]

I've never been much of a fan of Manson. I don't care for the music, or the way he conveys himself.

But i have to say, that after watching this video, I really respect him for what he does.

http://www.neufstream.com/tag/music/vid ... r?from=rss

[kate78]

Well well well...after watching this video...I'll say this...I'm so glad there was no profanity in it...the contact lenses he's wearing is going to give me nightmares

I've never been a fan either, i'm not intending to become one, even after this video, but my younger brother, at one point, was almost obsessed with him, his music etc. My dad said he sounded as if he has some major stomach pain...lol...fortunately for us, he grew out of it...

Anyway, I do agree that he cannot be held responsible for anything some stupid kid does as a result of watching his video's or listening to his music....but i still do not agree with the way he tries to get his point across in his music...

just my 2cents

[Shishkababy]

Eh, I don't have respect for him, although I don't have respect for anyone who thinks of themselves as an "artist"(unless its like real paintings like thomas kinkade type stuff). I think hes just making up excuses for a lot of things like people misinterpreting his music and stuff. Although I do give him props for not doing the normal liberal thing on fox news like Bill clinton. "I see what your doing, your using your conservative trickery on me!"

[Blown65]

I'll just bite my tongue about him and ppl like him.


Too many ppl like him in our kids eyes nowadays IMO. Still the parents fault for letting thier kids listen to that crap.
I will say that he may not be directly to blame for one incident or another, but ppl like him as a whole are what have eroded our kids to the state they are IMO.

[JacktheHomeless]

[quote="Blown65";p="15246"]I'll just bite my tongue about him and ppl like him.


Too many ppl like him in our kids eyes nowadays IMO. Still the parents fault for letting thier kids listen to that crap.
I will say that he may not be directly to blame for one incident or another, but ppl like him as a whole are what have eroded our kids to the state they are IMO.[/quote]

I disagree.

Parents are what have eroded our kids to the state they are. Or, should i say, lack there of.

If you are a parent and don't know where and what your kids are doing, you should be made sterile.

Too many people now a days pointing fingers, blaming this and that for the way America's youth is heading, when they need to realize that when you point a finger, you have 4 more pointing right back at you.

Take a look at a kid heading down the wrong path, and then take a look at the parenting involved. Then, take a look at a kid like myself, or the hundreds of other good kids on the straight and narrow, and you will see the only difference was the amount of parenting involved.

If i did something wrong, i got the snot beat right out of me, as I'm sure many others here have. And you know what? I learned from that. My mom knew exactly where I was, what i was doing, and who I was with at any given time. And if i wasn't where i was supposed to be, i got the Rubbermaid seal imprinted on my a$$ for about 3 weeks.

The point im making is, if parents would be willing to step up to the plate and actually hold to the responsibility they have chosen, there wouldn't be a big problem with America's youth.

just my 17 cents.

[Willie Busserhimen]

I think he's a frickin genius. I am NO WAY a goth freak or a cut myself emo kid...


...and the ONLY artists are painters? COME ONE NOW!

[Blown65]

Ok, in a round about way yes. I did state its the parents fault so yes it is thier fault.

Fact is, that music is still there but responsibility starts with the parents, I agree.


I do place blame on artist and ppl in the entertainment industry for thier influence on not only youth but weak minded ppl in general.


Just because we have a society filled with crappy parents that dont shield our kids from his type of filth doesn't automatically make it right what he does.

[loka]

?????????

I did a paper on this for Criminology. "How the media influences juvenile behavior through social learning theory" I got an A on the paper for some odd reason. Anyways its not true. Despite many people believing that the media influences children to behave in a certain manner is simply a myth at best. It starts with how we as adults portray the world to our kids. If kids see their parents fighting and using words they start to mimic those behaviors. There are cases though (i compared my experiences) where some kids were sheltered from the world when they were young by over-protective parents and as they got older they become more promiscuous as they get older, and start to look at other ideas and embrace other ideas that go against what their parents believe is right.

Blaming society is exactly why we have moronic parents running amuck about how children today are screwed up in the head. It starts by the parents themselves, and it's a shame that parents today can't slap their children without some blatent turd calling DSS for child abuse. I'm happy I got whiped with a belt (or some inane object) when I did something wrong, or smacked in the face when I said something bad... It's why I still don't use swears in front of my parents...that slap in the face has always been a numbing experience...but else where...forget it.

[xXBatmanXx]

I saw the original interview when it came out (last year?) and was very impressed with how well versed he is. I know a lot about him and why he did what he did - I see him a lot like Howard Stern, someone who isn't exactly entertaining, but they cornered the market and know what turns people's cranks. They both found out who to make a buck, and they have made a lot of them!

I am not a fan of Stern (garbage radio) or MM - but you have to respect their business decisions.

On the direction of the kids stuff - it comes down to how you were raised.
Take a kid that has never sat down with his family for dinner and compare to a kid who was required to be home everyday at 5:00 to eat dinner with his family, and this alone will show you a very big difference on values, ideas, respect to authority, the amount of trouble they get into, etc.

We are in a period of time where because of how much housing costs, cars, goods, and the wants for good that aren't necessary to live, both parents work and most of the time they work too much. This leaves kids alone for long periods of time without direction. Their babysitters are FOX, MTV, and video games. No one ever tells these kids no. When they get in the real world and get told No on a daily basis, it creates a problem.

It isn't ADD. It is lack of parenting.

[JacktheHomeless]

[quote="Blown65";p="15260"]Ok, in a round about way yes. I did state its the parents fault so yes it is thier fault.

Fact is, that music is still there but responsibility starts with the parents, I agree.


I do place blame on artist and ppl in the entertainment industry for thier influence on not only youth but weak minded ppl in general.


Just because we have a society filled with crappy parents that dont shield our kids from his type of filth doesn't automatically make it right what he does.[/quote]

ill agree with that.

but heres the thing, the filthy scum types have always been there for thousands of years, in one form or another.

[Blown65]

yup agree.

We didn't have the mediums like radio/tv for thousands of yrs where parents didnt pay attention to what their kids were exposed to on a daily basis. Exposure was much much less prior to modern technology.

Its really unfortunate none the less.

[Willie Busserhimen]

but then you have to ask what is "his 'filth' "


O'Rielly is more corruptive, anyways.
ZIIIIIING!

[l3eeron]

My feelings and oppinions about this out weigh my command of the English language. I cant seem to get it typed out. Lemme just say:

You cant blame someone else for your own actions. I cant say that MM owes me money cuz I was bangin my head while driving and crashed.

On the other hand, it makes me sick to see someone feed off of other people's misfortunes.


..and parents just need to be parents. There could 50 million marylin mansons out there and your kid would do the right thing everytime - if you were a good parent =)

[Shishkababy]

[quote="Willie Busserhimen";p="15252"]I think he's a frickin genius. I am NO WAY a goth freak or a cut myself emo kid...


...and the ONLY artists are painters? COME ONE NOW![/quote]
Well I not only think painters are artists but people who think "outside the box" and think pounding on a synthesizer is artistic(thats what my friends do and thats why I don't really like them anymore). I mean if you are a musician, you are not an artist. People act like so much emotion is portrayed in music, but its not, its a means for entertainment. In my band we had songs about smokey the bear being a murderer and we played our songs really fast because it sounds good, not because we were trying to get a point across about smokey being a metaphor for some evil corporation or some crap like that.

[Blown65]

[quote="l3eeron";p="15367"]
You cant blame someone else for your own actions. I cant say that MM owes me money cuz I was bangin my head while driving and crashed.
[/quote]

Please dont take this as an attack, I'm just trying to understand this. How can you blame the parents then if you say the actions of the kids are soley thier responsibility. Or are you saying just ppl not directly related to the kids are responsible?

Me personally, would hate to go to sleep at night knowing that some kid committed suicide cause of the music or show I produced influenced him in such a way that it seemed as an escape.

Wanna hear bad, speaking of how you think gaming doesnt or wont influence a kid to an adult.

I know this person that lets her 6 yr old play GTA3 (and knows its wrong but still lets him play it). I would be very suprised if there is anyone that thinks that is even remotely appropriate and doesn't instill hatred, violence, and not to mention abuse to women at a young age. (he is a male child)