pistol rolling

[D.B.Cooper]

But I wanna yell. Ok that clears that up.

[Kodo]

I used to do this all time time with the kar when I started using it because its easy to miss and its nice to have something as a back up. It's also very useful while sniping to drop scope really quickly and get to the pistol when there are people around you.

However, I figured out how to get around the whole dilemma.. I just stopped missing with the rifle =)

[sgt stutter]

We have never banned for pistol rolling, it did shave a few ms off the animation at one time. They say it’s fixed but I’m still not convinced it is. I don't like it, but that’s just my opinion and it’s not a reason for banning someone.

To be honest at least 99% of the people I have banned for some sort of hack over the years has had this pistol roll in their repertoire.

[D.B.Cooper]

I agree I don't think it is fixed.Maybe we can warn people not to do it, then maybe just kick them instead of banning.

[Morbid]

no b33ron i think it still is quicker.... but the downside 2 it is that when youswitch back 2 rifle it doesnt show your cursor for an amount of time... i use it instead of unscoping w/ the sniper but thats it.. if you did ban ppl you would be banning a TON of ppl like squirrel said... and how is it an exploit if its something that is in the game not something they added on.... thats like saying having a huge monitor is an exploit dude its rediculous

[l3eeron]

Im not gonna get into it with ya Morbid but...

An exploit is anything the game developers didnt intentionaly add to the gameplay that gives the player an unfair advantage.

Common sense says that they didnt intend for the pistol to be switched back n forth to allow for a quicker reload time. Its a glitch that people exploit. Thats why its called an exploit, not a hack.

If the game has a certain resolution options available (the devs intended on players using it) then that would be a legitimate option. Not an exploit.


According to other forums and articles Ive read, the devs at Steam have implemented something to compensate for the reload time when pistol rolling (no x-hairs for certain amount of time). Its still may work, but not to the extent that it used to.


Primarily, the exploit was when you bind mouse1 "+attack;+lastinv;+lastinv"... doing the "rolling" manually doesnt offer much of an advantage (a little bit Im not saying it doesnt work!).


I believe VAC has the above mentioned bind logged and might get you VAC banned, so dont try it. I know for a fact its not allowed in any league play.

[l3eeron]

Send me a PM if you wanna discuss further

[sgt stutter]

Again we are not going to kick or ban for this, it was an exploit but as beeron stated very well I might add it has been corrected as far as we know.

Exploits have been discussed here for years and not everyone is going to agree on what is and what isn't an exploit and the discussion usually turns south. This issue with exploits will be with us as long as there are games. So as beeron said if you want to discuss exploits and get someone’s opinion mine included please send a PM and thanks for understanding.

[Sgt.Weird Al]

I saw a cheat where they have a pistol and a rifle in the same hand. Maybe it switches so fast it looks that way...

[Gen.Ben]

I do have a bad habit of pistol rolling while sniping on source. I also have another bad habit of switching to my pistol then rifle really fast when I am running around.

Tommorow, I will do an experiment on Source to see if pistol rolling does empty your clip faster.

[Shockwave]

[quote="Gen.Ben";p="31659"]I do have a bad habit of pistol rolling while sniping on source. I also have another bad habit of switching to my pistol then rifle really fast when I am running around.

Tommorow, I will do an experiment on Source to see if pistol rolling does empty your clip faster.[/quote]

I too switch to my pistol alot, but I don't think that I have ever switched to pistol then back to rifle when my rifle was reloading.

[l3eeron]

Ya, thats not the pistol rolling I was talking about when I said I would ban someone. I was talking about if someone does every single time the rifle is fired, like if it was bound that way. Then that would fall into a different category...

I roll the pistol to cancel a reload, or get out of a scope etc, that kind of stuff is perfectly fine.

[Zman]

whats pistol rolling quick switch because if it is i didnt know its an exploit if u press the q key it switches to pistol really fast because if thats what it is I dont want to be warned in-game

[Zman]

oh yea and u have to had switched to the pistol already cause almost everyone i know does that

[l3eeron]

Using q as "+lastinv" and pressing it twice is questionable but wont get you banned. If you do it EVERY shot, Ill get suspicious. Use your pistol as needed but dont exploit the glitch. Be a villun and play an honest game. Dont exploit obsure client cvars or in-game glitches. In my oppinion, the only cvars players should mess with are:

cl_fastswitch 1
cl_particlefx 0
stopsound


those are "globally" accepted and should be the extent of client tweaking.